First Offenders

2005-06-15 [Zab]: what happened to nr 21? [fuckmeharder69] I think he´s called..

2005-06-17 [Tanka]: no problem

2005-06-28 [Cookieholic]: I think this is a good wiki, but some of the things listed in here are a bit paranoid o.O

2005-06-29 [~Saraneth~]: yea well that's why their on the first offenders list If it was something serious then they would be moved to the main page under one of the more serious lists, da? So yeah people here have only been caught being offensive and if nothing else on their houses looks wrong or obscene then they are taken off in time.

2005-07-14 [~Saraneth~]: You guys have to check this weird house out. [imsohorny] she thinks she's a cat.

2005-08-11 [x-xVanityx-x]: what about [SEXYEMT134]?

2005-08-15 [~Saraneth~]: I'd say first offenders. She's not really asking for cyber-sex but she is offensive.

2005-08-28 [Yiwerra]: what is offensive about her? she doesn't ask for cyber sex at ALL, she is only saying how she looks like.. so that's a crime? she actually says 'i am looking for a long term relationship'

2005-09-03 [~Saraneth~]: hmmm . . . [Yiwerra] you have a point I am going to take her off then. ^^ Sorry for any paranoia-induced listings. I am trying to go through them all and cut back on them. Thanks again.

2005-09-09 [Yiwerra]: i am sorry for sounding aggressiv too. well i just think that elftown is stuffed with people having a description like [SEXYEMT134] has it. and yes, of course we would all like people to be more into the purpose of elftown itself. but you cannot really judge how someone is like by only reading this. for example, i think i quite fit the 'purpose' of elftown, if there is one (and i disagree with your definition of it, because it obviously says on the frontpage "for elfwood artists and hangarounds"); but when i was new here, i didn't know what you're supposed to write in your description either, and wrote silly things about my physical appearance. and then i stopped. but why? because i realised

2005-09-09 [Yiwerra]: that that's not what you're 'supposed' to write? or supposed to write if you want to belong to the .. 'upper' ET society? what IS that society? how come they have rules? ..i am just trying to show the contradiction i see in this thing you have created, although most people would agree with the idea of it, and so do i. but now that i see how it works, i find it segregating, full of prejudice and hatred. acting and judging like that is not an elftown 'purpose' either. elftown is this free place where you can almost do whatever you want (unlike many other communities), it's a place for dreamers and artists. and now THOSE people are supposed to redline others, point their fingers, and without

2005-09-09 [Yiwerra]: knowing them judging about their character, interests and intelligence, and want them to leave. that's like "he is black, i don't want him to be in my church".  IF there is something like the definition of how a standart elftowner 'should' be like (which i disagree with, that that exists; and i think it's vain to make it up, and counting yourself to those who 'fit' the purpose), then in my opinion that is tolerant, and interested in people. this here is intolerant though, and closing eyes from even seeing how a person could be like.    sorry for writing so much on your wiki, but i thought maybe you're open for discussions, and you might be interested in my opinion.

2005-09-09 [~Saraneth~]: Oh yes, I am very interested in many people's opinions, and of course yours as well. The only thing I feel sorry about is at this moment I wish you would have posted this upon the main page beause of how far-reaching it is on so many levels. My initial intentions were to create a wiki to keep younger children away for obscene, sexual messages. I realize now that this wiki is probably not titled to its advantage but it would be much work to try to change the name I've seen. While there is no real standard set for what an elftowner is, I have always felt aht some distant connection should be made with the arts when a person is here. (RPGing, music, literature, poetry, art, animation, etc)

2005-09-09 [~Saraneth~]: Yes, I admit people are judged to quickly and then tossed onto this particular page. As the owner i do my best to go through all of the listings once and a while and mke sure they are not what I like to call 'Paranoia-induced'. I try to be open-minded about people and anti-stereotypical. Yes, it it true, people like [SEXYEMT134] could be very wonderful people and yes, we all could be judging too fast. In truth, I don't like cybering but am tolerant with it when it is in private. I do not tolerate it when it turns to be a public epidemic in a large community such as this. And yes, the description was created for what people found purposeful to write about themselves, but when the house

2005-09-09 [~Saraneth~]: created shows no remte signs of being connected to any sort of art or gaming as I stated above or especially when it is created for cybering alone i do not find what's written to be purposeful.  Yes, my wiki takes things to the extremes and I realize that it may be accusing innocent people, it is an imperfect system I have created -i know no better way-and people make mistakes on their definition of 'offensiveness'.  The point I'm trying make is I, even though honestly I don't want to, I take full responsibility for what happens here and the injustices done. And in the long run I believe that here we are doing more good than harm.

2005-10-15 [Yiwerra]: Well that's really nice to know. I agree with you on so much, looking at houses like [ass_fucker]'s, makes a lot of sense to assume that this person did not join here to share art or similar things. It's just - where are the rules for judging! About this [ass_fucker] person, everyone would agree with us. Then with people such as [fuck_off] - you can hardly tell. You see, when someone starts something, just like you do, there is always the danger of going too far and making mistakes, and receiving a lot of criticism for it. That doesn't mean it's bad. You have the right to do whatever you want here; as I said before, that's the good thing about Elftown. And generally I, and most sensible

2005-10-15 [Yiwerra]: Elftowners, agree with you totally - I just came to this point that I was shocked what the whole "being annoyed by cyberer's"-issue gave birth to, and created in people - which was nothing more than pure hatred, ignorant exclusion and hastily judging about people who just seemingly fit in their "category" of brainless idiots. But however, I really appreciate you for your comments about this. You said you realise that it might go too far, that that's always the risk (I know it is), that people might judge too quickly and so on. It showed that you're really not the person I would assume would be behind these pages. Sorry for being harsh on you too.

2005-10-15 [Yiwerra]: I suppose you receive a lot of anger from people about this, and have quite a hard time dealing with it.    ...And about the main page - we can easily just copypaste the comments there, if you wish. Wouldn't be a big deal! :)

2005-10-17 [~Saraneth~]: Thank you so much for understanding. I haven't been here in a while ^_^U. But in truth, I do sometimes do have a hard tiem dealing with it all, but i promise as the owner of this page i will be as fair as I can possibly be. Not to mention, I like your way of making your point. You as well have shown me that you are truly a better person than i may have thought at first. I really do like you! ^_^

2005-10-18 [Yiwerra]: aww thank you so much :D   maybe we should go on talking in private messages :P

2005-10-21 [Elisha Kelly]: I have a name for you [Sildainie] her mood is suggestive... and she has a wiki that simply says Let's cyber...